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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.02.25 21:19:27 -
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5293
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Posted - 2017.02.25 21:28:32 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:All together now, just one more nerf and it will be balanced.
This is one of the outright removal threads, not one of the begging for nerfs threads.
I'm guessing he lost a jump freighter or something to the latest burn jita. |

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5293
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Posted - 2017.02.25 21:38:27 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:
.... says a goonswarm career ganker!
Prove it.
Orca Platypus wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:All together now, just one more nerf and it will be balanced. You mean at least one nerf. All we've seen for years now are buffs, buffs, and more buffs, until the hardest part of ganking became logging in your alpha clone gank alt.
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5293
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Posted - 2017.02.25 22:02:14 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:Locko DeLavida wrote:Yea, better nerf things that are actually fun rather than balance broken ships and useless ships. Nice Its not fun for those getting ganked... their are two sides to every story. Also, the people you are ganking have put in more game time gathering their cargo than you do stealing it. Eve should not be that easy!
So why should one person who isn't at their keyboard have nothing to fear from an organised group of twenty? |

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5294
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Posted - 2017.02.25 22:09:33 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:
Nothing to fear... Gank all you want! Just make sure you dont get on CONCORDS bad side to often without giving back to them. Why should CONCORD be so nice to you career highsec gankers.
Why should the be so nice to you that hauling 20bil around in a completely untanked badger becomes a risk free activity?
You say eve should not be easy. Please explain why you are saying that while asking for eve to be made much, much easier. |

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5295
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Posted - 2017.02.25 22:35:38 -
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Erich Einstein wrote: Actually, CONCORD looks like little fouls who can never catch their target. CONCORD is chasing these guys regardless of what others are doing because of their security status. They just need to do their jobs better. Has nothing to do with anyone else.
Are you sure you aren't confusing CONCORD with the faction police? Facpo chase you around for low sec status and are easy to evade, CONCORD one shot kill you for criminal action. There's a difference.
Also, we've been hyping burn jita for months, if you didn't know it was going on, well, that's another example of a freighter pilot making a dumb mistake. |

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5295
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Posted - 2017.02.25 22:43:36 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:For the OP, chasing down those with low security status is the job of the Faction Police, not Concord.
Concord are the tactical team with the fancy toys, that only come out to play when capsuleers shoot each other in the face without the necessary flags. Thats false, CONCORD appears right when these criminals undock and start pursuit before they have even attacked anything. This is because of their security status.
No, that is not how it works. If you do not have a criminal timer, concord do not care. The guys that chase you are faction police.
I have low sec status. I know who chases me around in highsec. |

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5305
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Posted - 2017.02.26 11:53:34 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:It's so funny as mostly gangers speak in this thread as "Ganking is fine" :)
Got any proof that everyone who disagrees with you is a ganker, or are you just making the accusation because you have no actual answer to them? |

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5305
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Posted - 2017.02.26 12:24:37 -
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Well, I disagree with you entirely. Ganking is, if anything, overly nerfed at the moment.
Feel free to check my killboard before you call me a ganker too! |

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5306
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Posted - 2017.02.26 14:19:12 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Well, I disagree with you entirely. Ganking is, if anything, overly nerfed at the moment.
Feel free to check my killboard before you call me a ganker too! Nerfed? WTF Oo we play diff. games then; And as you wish but u have to be trolling: He is not a gangerEven more no ganger here
There are 3,000 people in Goonwaffe, and 25,000 people in Goonswarm federation. Linking those killboards does nothing to show that I am a ganker. You can find evidence of people in the corp or the alliance doing literally everything that is possible to do in this game and then some. Doesn't mean everyone does it.
While I am -8, that's because I do not think lowsec means I should avoid shooting the pod. All of the anti ganking ideas in this thread would lock me out of highsec too, and none have even attempted to justify that. Can you?
Please, post one single buff that ganking has received in the last five years. |

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5308
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Posted - 2017.02.26 17:57:38 -
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NightmareX wrote:
Yes, why should you be able to easily stop a freighter or kill it when we others can't do that towards the gankers before it's to late?
But you can? Y'know, really quite easily?
Hint: get a fast locking ship and camp a gate you know gankers will be coming through.
Now, in a similar vein, why should a single pilot who takes absolutely no precautions whatsoever be immune to the actions of two dozen or more organised and specialised players who want to ruin his day? Nowhere else in eve is one unprepared player going to do anything but die against superior numbers, tactics and fits, so why should this not also be the case in highsec? |

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5308
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Posted - 2017.02.26 18:32:15 -
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NightmareX wrote: Hint. A fast locking ship on a gate wont stop the actual ganking. If some gankers can force the Freighter or any other ships to be killed, then there should be a system where the Freighter pilot / others pilots also should have more power on their hands where the Concord will punish the gankers harder and harder the more they do their crimes.
Why should everyone else be totally defenseless against ganking that will happen every 15 minutes when the gankers have the luxury of doing the crimes with a success rate of 99% where they can't be stopped?
Don't you think there should be more consequences for the criminals this way when the non-gankers are so defenseless against being ganked?
Please explain how killing a ganker en route (or just holding him in place while the facpo do it for you) doesn't save a freighter.
Please explain how jamming a ganker doesn't stop them ganking.
Please explain how shooting a ganker in the face before concord show up doesn't save a freighter.
Please explain why a solo freighter pilot with zero precautions taken and 5bil in their hold should be immune to the specific, targeted and organised actions of two dozen other players.
Please explain how being free to engage anywhere by anyone any time is not a penalty.
Please explain why being chased through highsec by facpo who WILL kill you if you're slow to warp is not a penalty.
Please explain, exactly, how anyone is defenceless, how gankers cannot be stopped, how freighter pilots have no options and how making highsec an awful lot safer for people who aren't even at thier keyboards is good for the game.
In short, no, I do not think there need to be extra penalties for gankers. I think there need to be extra penalties for lazy and/or stupid freighter pilots who think they are invincible because they are in highsec.
Quote: I know about many players out there who are flying Freighters alone, because they are alone in their own corp.
I know of people who are out in thier Nyx alone because they are in one man corps. Doesn't make a super any less of a corporate asset now, does it.
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5308
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Posted - 2017.02.26 18:45:21 -
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100+ gankers on one freighter happens during burn jita events. Events which happen maybe twice a year, and are talked about for months in advance. Which there are warnings about all over the place, and which the freighter pilots are choosing to ignore.
(And which involve frankly ludicrous amounts of work from the people doing the organising, but I'm sure you don't care about that either.)
As has been said hundreds of times now, you can't patch stupid.
Why should concord be so friendly to freighter pilots who can't be bothered to engage with the game or take any kind of precaution whatsoever?
Why should the SOLO freighter pilot be safe from the actions of your ONE HUNDRED PLUS gank pilots? An unsupported titan will die if you throw a hundred subcaps at it, why not a freighter? |

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5309
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Posted - 2017.02.26 19:01:07 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:Danika Princip wrote:
Why should the SOLO freighter pilot be safe from the actions of your ONE HUNDRED PLUS gank pilots? An unsupported titan will die if you throw a hundred subcaps at it, why not a freighter?
Cz u cant drop a hundred subcaps on a titan in high sec?
And highsec should be completely different from every other kind of space in this respect because...?
And a solo pilot should be immune to one hundred plus people who want to kill them because...?
NightmareX wrote: Still doesn't matter. A criminal should still be treated as a criminal no matter what the circumstances are.
And newsflash. We are still talking about what happens in high sec and how Concord is. So i'm not sure why you are dragging in Titans into the discussion when Titans can't enter high sec?
They are. they lose the ship regardless of the success or failure of the gank.
And titans are being used because they are a big combat ship that dies to one hundred small combat ships. Why should a big non combat ship be immune to a hundred small combat ships? |

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5310
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Posted - 2017.02.26 20:09:38 -
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Err...but facpo catch you if you're slow. They can also be tanked and killed iirc. |

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5310
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Posted - 2017.02.26 20:18:35 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Err...but facpo catch you if you're slow. They can also be tanked and killed iirc. They dont operate correctly, which makes the security status feature broken. If you can ignore them without care, there is something wrong. Your manipulating a particular mechanic of the game to get around the consequences of security status.
How do they not operate correctly? they will kill you if they catch you.
I am -8.4. I am not a ganker. Explain why you think I should not be able to cross highsec. |

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5310
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Posted - 2017.02.26 20:47:15 -
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Please explain how the game is improved by locking me out of highsec for podding some guys in lowsec. |

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5310
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Posted - 2017.02.26 20:56:45 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:
because you are -8.4 ... you have given up that privilege by performing criminally in lowsec. If you would have blown up **** in null then your security status would still be positive and you could operate freely in highsec. This change benefits so many things, it pushes more people into nullsec, leaving only those who choose to be real pirates in lowsec. Lowsec is for faction warfare and pirates who dont care to be in highsec with their criminal characters. It also still allows ganking in highsec and for career gankers, it requires them to put in more effort to make sure their security status is always in check. If you take 50bil in a day, you can afford the tags to repair your corpmates security status so that you stay below phase 2 (where you get instantly wrecked when you come to a station or gate in something that doesnt instant warp).
...I asked how it would improve the game, not what your frankly bizarre justification for the change was.
lowsec is not only for faction warfare. lowsec is for PVP. Nullsec is for PVP. highsec is for PVP.
Why are you trying to lock players into only one area of space and claiming it will do anything but drive people out of the game entirely? |

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5310
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Posted - 2017.02.26 21:01:21 -
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Yes. They do.
So why does me podding a guy in lowsec mean I should not be allowed in highsec? I already face a lot of restrictions on what I can actually DO there, so why the hell should I be locked out entirely? |

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5310
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Posted - 2017.02.26 21:12:25 -
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Erich Einstein wrote: Plenty of reasons to go there... materials, resources, faction warfare .... the list goes on. All non criminal activities
I'm not convinced you can do FW without going pirate.
Actually you can't do any of those things in low without someone trying to shoot, you, which is going to end with you shooting first and going outlaw in short order. |

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5310
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Posted - 2017.02.26 21:59:05 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:
Ganking could be buffed.... please explain??? LUL The fact that you keep trying to point out that you are a miner a freighter pilot ensures that you are not. You lost a 3+bil domi in null. Thats not a freighter pilot and miner career path.
Six years ago.
We all did dumb things six years ago.
And why are you ignoring the fact that the 15 minutes thing is literally only happening this weekend, for the burn jita event? |

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5313
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Posted - 2017.02.27 00:05:59 -
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NightmareX wrote:
EDIT: And if you are not a ganker, then why are you so much against treating criminals like actual criminals then?
How is that relevant?
Why does one need to be a ganker to not think ganking is a bad thing? I don't gank either. |

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5316
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Posted - 2017.02.28 20:02:11 -
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I left this thread twenty pages ago and you're still screaming that fighting in lowsec means you should not be allowed into highsec?
And you're still completely incapable of saying how that would be good for the game in any way, shape or form?
Wow. |

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5316
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Posted - 2017.02.28 20:17:05 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:
Read the posts and maybe you will figure it out. Just coming into a thread and basing your question on nothing is meningless. Pick a previous post and quote what doesnt make sense to you and I will be glad to explain it.
Literally the post before mine.
NightmareX wrote:baltec1 wrote:NightmareX wrote:
Again, why are you bringing in 'instantly webbing and warp-disrupting while CONCORD (edit: Faction Police) moves in.' when that has only to do with your sec status?.
Because it locks out people who gank and pvp in low sec. Why do they need this nerf? Then work to fix the sec status then so you don't lose that ability. It's not rocket scientist stuffs we are talking about here.
Nobody has ever explained why it is a good idea to lock me out of highsec because I am pathologically incapable of not shooting the pod in lowsec. |

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5316
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Posted - 2017.02.28 20:33:00 -
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Erich Einstein wrote:Danika Princip wrote: Nobody has ever explained why it is a good idea to lock me out of highsec because I am pathologically incapable of not shooting the pod in lowsec.
The fact the you keep using the the word 'locked out' just makes it look like you cant read or refuse to acknowledge the OP and are just trolling. I know you dont want to have to fix a security status to stay out of what the OP describes as phase two aggression against criminals but if the game says you are a criminal for podding in lowsec, then you are a criminal. CCP always has the option of changing the hit lowsec pirates take for podding to go along with the proposed OP. CCP has nullsec for a reason, which does not damage your security status. Currently, if you want to be a pirate, do it in nullsec. If you want to be a lowsec pirate, be prepared to have to do some security status fixing if you want to enter highsec in anything more than a pod or shuttle that is instant warping. This is what the OP is proposing.
And at no point has anyone even attempted to explain WHY that would be a good thing. Are you intending to, at any point, or are you just going to continue to talk like a politician?
Please explain how instantly webbing and scramming me on jumping in to highsec does not lock me out of highsec.
I was involved in a fleet battle in lowsec Sunday night. No piracy involved, yet if I had been positive sec status going into it I could very easily have come out negative even if I did for some strange reason avoid shooting the pods. As it was I merely dropped to -8.84. At no point was anyone who did not expect to explode involved in this fight, yet you think it would be enough of a reason to lock someone out of highsec.
Why is this? |

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5316
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Posted - 2017.02.28 20:49:06 -
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It isn't just podding though. you take a sec status hit just for shooting a guy in lowsec.
Go fight over a lowsec moon and you could very easily find yourself unable to enter highsec, possibly even trapped in one of those silly little lowsec pockets (Kubinen in The Citadel, or Sarline in solitude, for example. Both in three system lowsec pockets only accessible through highsec)
And nowhere have you said WHY this is good. Nor have you explained why there should be a pve requirement to get your sec status up high enough to actually be able to move around after you go pvp in a manner that you, personally, disapprove of. |
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